Wednesday, July 15, 2009

collective kinky unconscious

if you aren't familiar with the psychology of carl jung, then you may have never heard of something called the collective unconscious.  or even if you have, you may not yet have wrapped your head around what exactly it means-- i know that it took me several go-rounds before the whole thing sunk in for me.

you can read a little more about jung stuff by following the links on this wikipedia page, but on a basic level the collective unconscious refers to the phenomenon of a whole culture, or even the whole globe, having the same idea in their heads.  this is usually something expressed in cultural norms or artistic expressions or even in prejudices or systems of morality.  

a simple example is the hero archetype.  all over the world and independently of each other, people are drawn to a basic story about a strong (strong-willed or physically strong) man who bravely overcomes adversity (and usually gets the girl as well).  the basic story line is recreated (with some variation, of course) in books, films, plays, paintings, and our imaginations-- our imaginations and imaginations of people far away, people we never had any contact with.  it's kind of meaningful across the board... it speaks to something deep inside us, something that makes us want to hear the story again and again.  jung says we all feel a draw towards this story and other stories or ideals because of the collective unconscious.

i bring up the concept because sometimes i feel like there's a collective kinky unconscious.  i'm sure i'm not alone in my noticing of similar themes across bdsm and erotica blogs.  the very same ways of playing with dominance and submission are present everywhere you look, told again and again with different characters and different verbiage but the same story at its core.

sure, some of the uniformity could be due to the reading and research that so many people do on the internet now.  we get ideas from each other, absolutely.  we try out the new ideas and we write about them.  but that source can't explain everything.

being with luke and watching his dominant imagination emerge has been a fascinating process for me.  i've done a fair amount of reading on the internet, and i've really been amazed by the way that luke naturally moves toward the very same fantasies and power games that i've read about in so many other places.  i know he's done a bit of internet research, yes-- but very little, i think.  many of his ideas have come from his own head.  

it was luke and his process that solidified in my head this idea of a collective kinky unconscious.  maybe holding my wrists down while i fight to get away is tame and passe enough that it's no big news that both meta and gray lily have written about the exact same thing, but i'm still compelled.  what is it about me and luke that makes us want the same things that these other couples do?  it fascinates me that the sort-of-pretend scolding he gives me before a spanking could have been pulled from an erotic video script (someone else thought of all that before and wrote it down).  i didn't tell him what to say-- he just got into the role and it came to him.  

and-- and this is the one that compels me most dramatically-- we've had lovemaking brought to its peak through discussion of a fantasy that oatmeal girl describes over a year ago.  did luke read her post, or any of a thousand others on the same theme across the blogosphere?  no.  and yet he described this same scene for me.  it's startlingly similar to what you've already read, although now you can picture luke and i as the main characters-- tall, willowy redhead with slender, anglo boy-scout-gone-sadist.  i am bent over, and he is nearby, close enough to touch.

this is the scene he describes as he fucks me... he describes it almost like a threat.  afterward, we marvel at how erotic it was and how scary it was and how we both prefer to keep it in fantasy.  but in the moment, as we live in the power and control and surrender and helplessness in his words, we are sure that it could come true any moment.

i'm tied to the bed by my wrists, you see.  face down, ass up.  and he's going to get a blindfold and put it on me, and then i'll see nothing but black.  i'll hear him typing-- he's gone on craigslist and he's put up an ad.  he's offered me up; he's looking for willing men.  he'll get responses immediately, and he'll invite the responders to the apartment.  he'll bring them in one by one.  i won't be able to see-- i won't know who is taking me.  all i will know is that it's a stranger.  and that luke is nearby.  he'll be sitting in my desk chair, watching.  making sure that i behave, he tells me.  intervening if i don't.  they'll each have me, one at a time, until he's satisfied.

shiver.

the fantasy turns me on because of the objectification, and because of the extent of possession that it implies.  so much his that he can loan me out?  it's intense.  for luke's part, he says he isn't sure why it turns him on.  but it does... it's leaked into our mid-coital erotic talk now and then for months.  each time, we tentatively imagine through it.  maybe a little less tentatively each time, although i'm sure that it continues to scare us both.

will it ever come true?  i think not.  i rather hope not, actually.  but it's created a snowball of erotic energy for luke and i many times over, just as it seems to have done for oatmeal girl and a thousand others.

i rejoice in the ways that "luke and meg" is just us, all us, and our own individual desires and interpretations of what love and sex and relationships and dominance, submission, sadism and the lot can be.  i celebrate that freedom.  and at the same time, analysis junkie that i am, i cannot help but consider us within the greater collective, or at least examine how we are connected.  i love that so many human beings secretly pine for the same kinky, dirty things-- but that there are few enough of us that we're still a bit on the fringe.  we're so different, but yet we're still so alike, even in our darkest, scariest fantasies.

9 comments:

scarlettbottom said...

I have noticed this collective unconscious phenomenon among the blogs I read, too. I mentioned this to my Dom a couple days ago, and the mere fact that you're writing about this further proof. ;)

xo
Scarlett

Orlando C. said...

O I am very happy about this post.

I agree with Jung up to the point of his mechanism, which seems mysterious and metaphysical. I'm not sure that's needed. We know that advertisers can make us want to buy Zip-Pow oven clear even though we can't remember ever having a Zip-Pow ad. Why shouldn't other narratives move through the culture with that kind of subtle power and fluidity?

My gut feeling is that there are certain core sexualities--fundamental psychological patterns--that are likely psychic outcomes for people in any era. And the tropes that are available in the culture attach to those sexualities as we find them, and change them.

I expect there have always been submissives, and in any culture as obsessed with property as ours is--or as, let's say, 14th century Italy was--submission easily lends itself to the tropes of being property: being bought and sold, lent and borrowed. But those sorts of stories must vary with the society they move through.

And we are, for all our overlap, impressively different as well.

Lots to think about. Thank you.

Laur said...

I most definitely agree with you that there is something else to it than just others reading and adapting fantasies.

It still surprises me to read about fantasies or scenes that a couple has taken part in and made their own. They all still have that undlerlying theme. And yet, when I started experimenting and playing around with my very first boyfriend, neither one of us was involved in the blogosphere or watched kinky porn. So, when reading about scenarios that are eerily similar to what used to run through our minds, I agree that there is that collective kinky unconscious.

Definitely some food for thought :)

oatmeal girl said...

So that's why so many readers came to me from you today! Thanks for that.

As for Jung and all that... yes. Absolutely. I was the philosopher's kitten. We both love cats, I'd always felt a connection with the sensuality of cats, he had a strong response early on to a short piece I wrote about cats - and suddenly we were doing things related to, if not exactly, "kitten play", which we hadn't even know existed.

And now, I write things to my Master and find myself adding on a disclaimer that I know my words sound like standard BDSM bits, but they're not. They are what I am feeling, towards him, in myself... they are who I am.

Meg, I am so very glad you wrote this. Because yes, there does seem to be some archetypal well from which we have all been drinking.

Orlando C. said...

But Oats, surely you and your master were both exposed to the notion that cats embody a sultry, feminine beauty. And becoming a pet or a domestic animal is a very direct, literal sort of dehumanization and submission. Couldn't kitten play sort of flow out of those basic mechanics?

Nearly every culture on earth has some sort of flatbread, but that doesn't mean flatbread emerges from the collective unconscious. It might just be an easy solution to a common problem.

persephone said...

orlando, forgive me for saying this so directly, but you simply do not understand this theory. your arguments are too concrete... they don't argue against jung at all, they only illustrate how difficult he is to grasp. i wish that i could put it forward more articulately but i don't quite have the grounding to do so with full confidence. perhaps i shouldn't have incurred his name in the first place, but the application felt perfect to me in my head.

yes, jung has been criticized for his overlap with mysticism, but the truth is that intuition and the abstract are a big part of what makes for good psychotherapy. the human psyche simply is not empirical. symbolic, abstract meanings are essential for understanding psychological reactions to the human experience. his theories are some of the most applicable and transcendent and essential for understanding my patients-- and reaching them and their suffering-- that i've ever seen.

i wish that there was a way for me to put this forward to you in a way that you understand, but i think that because you do not speak the language of psychotherapy that there is no way for me to do so. i keep trying to write a response to some of your arguments, but it feels like responding to an argument in english with a counter-argument in swahili.

tell you what-- learn swahili, and then we'll talk. :)

oatmeal girl said...

I'm not sure, meg, that you need to speak the language of psychotherapy to understand Jung's concepts. But, lacking that, it does help to have a solid instinctive feel for myth and symbolism.

I can think quite rationally and logically, but find I can go deeper via an intuitive route.

Or else I'm just batty... ;-)

Orlando C. said...

I've read a good deal of Jung, though not in a while; one of my dear mentors as a teenager was a Jungian ethnographer studying mythology. We had roughly the same argument then. I love the notion of archetypes, but I think of them semiotically, not as (what's Jung phrase? "inborn and impersonal" symbols?) And Jan would say that Jung didn't really mean inborn, and I was left thinking that Jung, like Rousseau, writes in a style whose power is partly based on layers of ambiguity. And...perhaps like Rousseau...is vastly useful because of that.

So far, I think you and I, Meg, disagree on almost every single psych author we've mentioned......which amuses me, because it wouldn't seem that we disagree on much else. But we ask very different things of those authors, too.

oatmeal girl said...

Ah... I do love those layers of ambiguity... I suppose that's why I'm a poet.

(Hmmm... my word verification word is "endobewi"... what do you think that means? A mythical gazelle-type creature? With long, slender, twining horns? Or some sort of bacterium?)

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